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SBC Convention: Five Motions Involve Mark Driscoll

Motions: Messengers endorse GCR task force, criticize Driscoll’s entity influence

Two motions were referred to all SBC entities:

— that “all SBC entities should monitor” funds spent in “activities related to or cooperative efforts with Mark Driscoll and/or the Acts 29 organization” and entity heads should submit a report of expenditures to appear in the 2010 Book of Reports, submitted by Kent Cochran, a messenger from Calvary Baptist Church in Republic, Mo.

— that SBC entities avoid “inviting event speakers” who “are known for publicly exhibiting unregenerate behavior … such as cursing and sexual vulgarity, immorality, or who publicly state their support for the consumption or production of alcohol,” submitted by Ida South, a messenger from First Baptist Church in Mathiston, Miss.

On the recommendation of the Committee on Order of Business, Hunt ruled several motions “not in order.”

The committee chairman’s, Render, said three resolutions were not in order because of reflecting harshly on particular individuals.

— that author Mark Driscoll’s books be removed from LifeWay Christian Bookstores because of his “reputation for abusive and ungodly language and … promotions of sex toys on his church web site,” submitted by Jim Wilson, pastor, First Baptist Church in Seneca, Mo.”We need to live holy lives and bringing this man to our college campuses and promoting his books in the bookstore … I believe is a violation of Scripture.”

— that messengers encourage all SBC entities “to refrain from inviting event speakers” who engage in “cursing and sexual vulgarity, or who publicly state their support for the consumption or production of alcohol,” submitted by Larry Reagan, pastor, Adams Chapel Baptist Church in Dresden, Tenn.

A motion by Brian LeStourgeon, pastor of First Southern Baptist Church in Camp Verde, Ariz., sought to have Mark Driscoll “address the concerns of his accusers” at the 2010 annual meeting. Render said the committee declined LeStourgeon’s motion since it could have put the Convention in the role of exercising church discipline.

At least some are seriously questioning Mark Driscoll and his language in the pulpit. It is a shame though that nothing will be done until next year. What is there to think about?  Hopefully this will serve as a wake up call to Mark Driscoll and his church.

Where are the men like this taking a stand for their Lord and their families I’ve had it with Mark Driscoll and his mouth. Now it’s personal!

If only the SBC would take a stand.

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Sound Doctrine, Sound Words – Phil Johnson

Sound Doctrine, Sound Words (Part 1)

This morning I want to look at two verses in Titus 2—verses 7-8. This is an admonition from Paul to Titus, his friend, partner, protege, and true son in the faith. Titus is one of the unsung heroes of the early church—a young pastor whose faithful support and constant behind-the-scenes labor made him extremely precious to Paul. Paul writes to Titus with these instructions (Titus 2:7-8): “Show yourself in all respects to be a model of good works, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity, and sound speech that cannot be condemned, so that an opponent may be put to shame, having nothing evil to say about us.”

I chose that text, frankly, because I’m deeply concerned about the tendency of so many pastors lately to employ profanity, crude and obscene words, vile subject matter, carnal topics, graphic sexual imagery, erotic language, and filthy jokes. Most of you, I know, are aware of the trend I’m talking about. I’m tempted to call it the pornification of the pulpit. The justification usually given is that coarse language and sexual themes are the tools of contextualization. It’s a way to make us sound more relevant. Lots of voices in the church are insistent that this is absolutely essential if we want to reach certain segments of our culture. ….

Sound Doctrine, Sound Words (Part 2)

One more thing about contextualization. (I spoke on this subject at last year’s Shepherds’ Conference): If your approach to contextualization is designed mainly to make you fit comfortably into a pagan culture—then you have an upside-down view of what Paul meant when he spoke of becoming all things to all men so that he might by all means win some. …

Sound Doctrine, Sound Words (Part 3)

There are two kinds of profanity every Christian needs to avoid. One is what the Bible calls foolish and filthy talk—coarse, obscene, smutty words that usually make reference to private bodily functions. The other is every kind of irreverence, ranging from that which trivializes sacred things to the full-on blasphemy of using the Lord’s name in vain.

Scripture is not silent on such things. These are not gray areas. Blasphemy is a grievous sin, and that includes all kinds of flippancy when we use the Lord’s name or talk about that which is sacred. Do a study of the third commandment and pay careful attention to all the things Scripture treats as a misuse of the Lord’s name. Once you understand what the Bible says about flippant irreverence, if you’re not compelled to eliminate every kind of joking about sacred things, you must have a heart of stone. …

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Cell Phones and Teens

This is something my parents and grandparents never had to deal with. Don’t you wish you could go back to those simpler days?

But we can’t so the next thing is to be aware and prepared. This is another good reason that my children don’t have cell phones. My older children didn’t get cell phones until they were older teens / adults and working away from home.

Does Your Child’s Cell Phone Preach Another Gospel? (This link from Russell Moore’s website desn’t work any longer.)

A pre-teen or a teenager with unrestricted cell-phone usage (or Internet or television consumption) is being placed in a very, very difficult place of temptation. The company of that young man or woman is now away from the scrutiny of parents, and is now left only to his or her discretion or conscience. Are there some young Christians who can handle such? Of course. Should you assume your child is one of them? Your Father is more careful of you than that.

Is your child a text-aholic?

One concern that I have regarding texting is the need or compulsion to immediately read an incoming message and reply. After observing my daughter’s texting habits over the holidays, I began to notice that when the phone chimed or vibrated, it seemed to produce an involuntary reflex to check the message no matter what she was doing. Think Pavlov’s dogs, here. I discussed my observation with my daughter and she assured me that she has it under control and is able to take a break from her phone and enjoy life.

The naked truth about teens and cell phones

 

Sexting involves the sending of sexual messages and pictures from cell phone to cell phone. Most of the stories I’m hearing (from moms and girls), involve a message or picture sent to a boyfriend that was intended to be private. Of course, when a break-up occurs, or the guy simply wants to show off the picture or suggestive text to his pals, the real trouble begins. It’s easy to forward the picture or message to other contacts on the recipient’s phone, upload it to the Internet, or post it to a social networking page. At that point, it becomes viral and the pictures are often accessible to the general public and most frighteningly, creepy predators who scour the web looking for “n*de c*ll phone images” of minor-aged children.

Required viewing for every cellphone-toting teen (There is a MSNBC Video about this issue.)

This death could have been prevented had the parents of all parties involved just taken the time to talk to their teens about the dangers of sexting. It is our responsibility to ensure that we have drilled home the message to our teens regarding the long-term consequences that can occur from sending, receiving, or forwarding “sext” messages.

Facebook Turns Five: Thoughts on Social Networking – Al Mohler

1. Never allow social networking to replace or rival personal contact and communication. God made us to be social creatures that crave community. We cannot permit ourselves to substitute social networking for the harder work of building and maintaining personal relationships that are face to face.

2. Set clear parameters for the time devoted to social networking. These services can be seductive and time consuming. Social networking (and the Internet in general) can become obsessive and destructive of other relationships and higher priorities for the Christian.

3. Never write or post anything on a social networking site that you would not want the world to see, or anything that would compromise your Christian witness. There are plenty of young people (perhaps older persons now, too) who are ruining future job prospects and opportunities by social networking misbehavior. The cost to Christian witness is often far greater.


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Modest Fashion Week – March 9 – 13

This might be a very interesting discussion on modesty. I have enjoyed reading the posts at Stay-At-Home Missionary for quite a while. I think you ladies will enjoy the discussion also.

 

modest fashion week

Beauty, Modesty, and Femininity from Stay-At-Home Missionary

Now, I know that many people have many different ideas of what modesty is and what modesty is not. I know that some who will visit will think that the standards are too low, others will think standards are too high. Yet, we have to start somewhere. Simply not talking about the subject because someone might be offended isn’t the answer. What is the answer? Grace. My hope and prayer is that as we begin on the topic of modesty, that we will all extend one another grace. If we disagree, that’s okay, let’s discuss, while being gracious toward one another. Agreed?!

Grace also means the absence of legalism. Legalism, simply put, is trying either consciously or sub-consciously to earn or in some way add to what Christ did on the cross. There is no room for legalism in this series. This series is about joyfully seeking to honor God in the way we dress.

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“…man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart…”

This is a verse that is commonly used to excuse all manner of outward appearance.

1 Sam 16:7 …for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart. KJV

This is one of those verses that even non-Christians seem to know and throw out along with “judge not”. However, if you will look at the full passage for the phrase you will see it means much different than it is commonly claimed to mean.

1 Sam 16:7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart. KJV

The Lord tells Samuel to “Look not on his countenance” or “on the height of his stature.” How exactly does this have anything to do with clothing? The Lord is telling Samuel to not judge David by his “countenance” meaning whether he is handsome or plain. This is not referring to clothing at all. Look at the next criteria “on the height of his stature.” This is how tall he is, not what David is wearing. David very well could have been very short.

Later in the passage, this verse is found:

1 Sam 16:12 And he sent, and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. KJV

What does this have to do with his clothing? Not one thing, it is describing David’s physical appearance.

The Lord will judge us on our heart but we as mere men must judge only on the appearance and the fruit, not a man’s heart. A person’s outward appearance is an indicator of the condition of the heart.

A person can look perfectly modest, pure, righteous, and God fearing on the outside and have an evil, depraved, and God-hating heart. Nevertheless, a person who is modest, pure, righteous, and God fearing in the heart cannot look immodest, evil, depraved, and God hating on the outside.

Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. KJV

Just as out of the heart the mouth speaks, also out of the heart the clothing choices are made. Are your clothes chosen to glorify the Lord and represent Him or are your clothes chosen to glorify yourself?

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Modesty Survey – The Rebelution (1 Tim 4:12)

Modesty Alert Post – This may not be appropriate for men who do not have daughters or are not in leadership over women.

Although the survey answers were done by teens and men, 12 – 60 years old, they can be rather frank in their descriptions of immodest attire, clothing items and behavior in women.

Modesty Survey by TheRebelution.com and Alex and Brett Harris, defined as “a teenage rebellion against low expectations.”

The Modesty Survey is an exciting, anonymous discussion between Christian guys and girls who care about modesty. Hundreds of Christian girls contributed to the 148-question survey and over 1,600 Christian guys submitted 150,000+ answers, including 25,000 text responses, over a 20-day period in January 2007.

The following are some sample comments Christian men wrote about women and modesty. There are hundreds of comments on a variety of modesty questions at the website.

Black High Heeled Boots

~ I’m actually not sure why, but something just feels “wrong” when I see them, especially on Christian girls/women that I respect.

~ I don’t think there is anything wrong with them in and of themselves, of course, however, in my mind there are certain kinds of women who wear them historically–and that’s not the best of company to keep!

~ Depends how far they are covered by the dress or skirt. If they are not covered, then it is immodest because of the association most people have with high black boots on women.

~ They usually are simply because they are reminiscent of what prostitutes wear, and are often accompanied by short skirts. They can also cause girls to walk in suggestive ways.

Miniskirts are immodest

~ This is obvious to me, why else would someone wear so short a skirt unless it is to flaunt their bodies?

~ There needs to be an option stronger than “strongly agree” for this one. It’s even worse if the girl actual moves, as miniskirts tend to show everything clothing is supposed to hide.

~ Miniskirts make a statement. They offer a promise of a chance to be allowed to see more.

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“Free to Be Modest” by Nancy Leigh DeMoss

I have had several fans of the “Bama Twins” get quite upset with my stating that they dress immodestly. The conclusion I’ve arrived at is:

Those who are defending immodesty are the “Lord” of their lives and they refuse to allow Jesus to be Lord of their lives, despite the lip service they give on Sunday mornings.

This is just a portion of the article; follow the link to read the rest.

Free to Be Modest by Nancy Leigh DeMoss

An immodestly dressed woman is giving away something that doesn’t belong to her. This principle of ownership means that, are you ready for this, that you and I are not free to dress in any way we please.

We’re accountable to God. He owns us and if you’re not a child of God that’s a principle that you’re not going to like, in fact, you won’t like any of these principles if you don’t belong to the Lord.

But if you are a child of God, you will find great comfort and security in the fact that you do belong to God, that your body is His. It means that you can trust that God will take good care of His property; also that you have a responsibility to take care of it.

The second is the principle of Lordship. Jesus is Lord over all. Ownership; then Lordship. Romans 14 [:9] tells us: “For this very reason Christ died and returned to life so that He might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.”

You know what it means when we say that Jesus is Lord. It means that God has the right to regulate every area of our lives, including what we wear.

So I want to ask you, “Who runs your life, who’s your Lord?”

Most of us would say, “Jesus is my Lord.” But when it comes down to what you wear, who’s your Lord.

Are you governed by fashion, are you governed by the culture? Are you governed by your friends’ opinions or are you governed by Christ and His Word?

Who is your Lord? You see, you and I are not to be enslaved to anything or anyone other than Jesus–to have any Lord other than Him is to be a slave.

The women who have adopted the worlds’ philosophy of fashion and clothing are not free. You’ll never be truly free until you’re free to do what God wants you to do regardless of what anything or anyone else dictates to you.



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Modesty – Nakedness in the Bible

When God was giving Moses instructions for the temple and for the priests, He gave very detailed instructions. Right down to the under garments! For those who think wrongly, that the Lord does not care about our clothing, all you have to do is actually read through the Bible.

Ex 28:42-43
42 And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach:
43 And they shall be upon Aaron, and upon his sons, when they come in unto the tabernacle of the congregation, or when they come near unto the altar to minister in the holy place; that they bear not iniquity, and die: it shall be a statute for ever unto him and his seed after him
. KJV

The Lord tells the priests to wear linen breeches from the loins to the thigh. The “loins” is the upper and lower abdominal regions and the region about the hips including the pubic region and the reproductive organs. The “thigh” is the area extending from the hip to the knee. Therefore, the priestly breeches would have looked something like this:

This is in order to cover their nakedness! How many women (and men) wear much smaller garments and then argue that they are not naked? But notice this is the undergarment worn under the remainder of the priestly attire. The priest then wore a linen coat (robe) over these breeches or trousers.


These breeches or trousers were to cover their nakedness. What does the Bible mean by nakedness?


Isa 47:1-3
1 Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.
2 Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.
3 Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man
. KJV


Notice that baring the leg and uncovering the thigh was nakedness. Uncovering someone’s nakedness was shameful.

Ex 20:26  Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon. KJV


The Lord even commanded the Israelites to never walk up stairs to the altar so as to not be nakedly exposed in His presence. Most churches today have steps up to the podium or stage. Many women do not realize how short a dress becomes when viewed from behind when she is walking up the steps to the stage.


Now how many ladies come to church each Sunday morning thinking they are dressed so nicely, yet the Lord looks upon them in their nakedness, shame (Isa 47:1-3) and iniquity (Ex 28:42-43). There are women who honesty do not understand what the Lord requires as modest attire but there is no excuse in the church and specifically, the pastor, allowing women to continue in iniquity all the while claiming to be Christians.

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Modesty Posts across the Web

(Sorry for the bad links, I think they are fixed.)

Christian women have obligation to dress modestly, Mary Mohler says

The world’s attitude toward fashion, Mohler said, should not be the church’s.

“The [world’s] attitude is if you’ve got it, flaunt it,” she said. “Leave as little to the imagination as possible. Regenerate Christian women, I don’t believe, leave home with this attitude. We seek to live godly, holy lives.”

Nevertheless, immodest dress is a problem in local churches on Sunday mornings, Mohler said. Women may not have a worldly attitude about modesty, but because of naivete, carelessness, busy lifestyles or cultural pressures, some women unknowingly dress immodestly, she said.


Also see the document Modeling Modesty.


Am I saying that never, ever, not even once can she wear a halter top, tube top, cropped top, mini skirt, skin tight shirts, anything that shows cleavage or midriff, hip-hugger jeans and shirts that don’t meet, that she can’t even go into an Abercrombie store, that she can’t keep Clinique in business when she is 14, and that her Sunday clothes are going to be different from her other clothes? Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Unlike the discount store whose tags say, “there are no rules,” her father and I believe there are rules. There are absolutes. There is a line that you just don’t cross. I hasten to add that it wouldn’t matter if her father was a seminary president or a ditch digger, the rules would be the same. Mary Mohler

Modesty: God, My Heart, and Clothes (pt. 1) by C. J. Mahaney


Perhaps you can relate to Jenni. Maybe modesty sounds unappealing to you. If we played word association you’d come up with “out of style” and “legalistic.” Maybe you think God is indifferent about the clothes you wear. What does he care?

But, as Jenni ultimately discovered, there is “not a square inch” of our lives—including our closets—with which God is not concerned. Even more, he cares about the heart behind what you wear, about whether your wardrobe reveals the presence of worldliness or godliness.


Modesty: The Attitude of the Modest Woman (pt. 2)
Modesty: The Appearance of the Modest Woman (pt. 3)
Modesty: A Pastor’s Concern (pt. 4)
Modesty: A Word to Fathers (pt. 5)
Modesty: The Right Adornment (pt. 6)
Modesty: The Modest Woman’s Allegiance (pt. 7)

Sister… show mercy!


Where am I going with this? Oh, don’t try to look so innocent. You know exactly where I’m going.

So here comes this brother into the assembly of the saints, hoping for a rest from the battles of the week, a moment to regroup, sing, pray, get the Word, fellowship. He looks up to the choir, or to his left or his right — and in a tick of the clock, he’s facing the same struggle he faced every time he turned on his TV, opened a magazine, or went down a city street. He’s seeing things that make it far too easy for him not to keep his mind focused where it needs to be focused.

And he’s not in a nightclub, he’s not at a singles’ bar, he’s not at the beach. He’s in church.


Young lady, I’m talking to you


Given that I took an illustration from church service, many naturally thought I was writing about how Christian women dress in church. I wasn’t. I was writing about how Christian women dress publicly, period. Church provides a bright and shining illustration, but it isn’t as if (to speak bluntly) there’s some virtue in dressing like a saint in one building, and like a slut in another.

The Spanish Dancer and the Duck

Men tend to lust after women. And women tend to lust after being lusted after. We struggle with modesty because we all want to be the Spanish dancer. No one wants to be the duck.

But there are men out there who are fighting hard for integrity. They’re doing battle every day, desperately trying to stay pure and focused on their wives. And what do we do? We whip out our fans. We look hot, on purpose. We flirt. We pose. On purpose. We aren’t about to tone down our characters. We know how to play the part. We do it well. And everyone likes it. They’re paying attention to us, aren’t they? And we’d be lying if we said we didn’t enjoy it.

Modesty Posts:

Maidens of Virtue – Stacy McDonald

The Style Quiz by Nancy Leigh DeMoss

Paul Washer on Modesty in the Church

“Modesty Heart Check” by Carolyn Mahaney

Calvin Klein vs John Calvin’s Opinions on Clothing

Modesty Quote

Attire of a Harlot !?!

A Church In Need of Prayer – (Part 2) Specifically the comments

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